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12/30/06
Brad Wall has No Answers
I watched an interview with Brad Wall on CKCK TV this week. The questions were basically softball questions, but what surprised me was the fact that Brad Wall couldn't really answer them. He waxed eloquent and did a verbal ballet around the questions. He was spinning so fast that I thought that I saw Dorothy's house floating around the studio. Why can't he give a straight answer, or at least one that makes sense.
At one time, Brad indicated that the NDP were causing young people to exodus the province at an alarming rate. Manfred Joehnck then gave Brad an opportunity to tell all of Saskatchewan how the Sask. Party intends to bring people back to Saskatchewan. First, Wall said that Saskatchewan is a great place to live. Low cost of living, affordable housing, and job opportunities (BTW who does he think is responsible for this prosperity? Certainly not him and the SaskaWHINING Party), should be selling features for young families. He then let his GRAND PLAN out of the bag. He will re brand Saskatchewan. Wow, what insight! And what is he planning on re branding it to, Alberta Jr.?
I wonder how he is planning on accomplishing this re branding. It certainly can't be through advertising. After all, he sure was critical and frothy-mouthed when the NDP promoted the "Opportunities are Wide Open" campaign (I think that's what it was called). The whole re branding idea shows something that I have said for years. Brad Wall and the Saskatchewan Party are ashamed of Saskatchewan. They wish that it was the right-wing, capitalistic, screw the poor, destroy the environment, province of Alberta. If they gain control of the province, they will do anything that they can to turn Saskatchewan into Alberta. Brad Wall basically said that when he decided that Saskatchewan needs to be re branded. Maybe he should be less negative about this great province and not spit on its legacy.
I know what you right-wingers are going to say. He meant that he wants to change the negative feelings that those outside of Saskatchewan have about our province. To improve our reputation. Well, if he "meant" that, why didn't he say "improve Saskatchewan's reputation"? When you re brand something in business, it often involves a name change, a logo change and a burying of the past. You don't re brand something that you are happy with, that you are proud of.
Another question that was asked of Mr.Wall was what qualified him to lead the province? He answered by saying that it was his team of "businessmen and lawyers" that make up the Sask. Party. In other words...NOTHING! Brad Wall couldn't find ONE trait that makes him qualified to run the province. He has never run a successful business, unless illegally providing booze to Conservative supporters using taxpayers' money at the behest of Grant Devine is a business. I hate to point this out to Brad, but the NDP has "businessmen and lawyers" on its team as well.
These Conservatives, and that is what they are, are like spoiled teenagers, with a nasty over-shopping habit, who are given a credit card. When Grant Devine got the card, he spent irresponsibly mortgaging our future ability to borrow funds in a crisis. The signs were there that the PC party was in w-a-a-a-y over its head. In order to try to meet the credit card payments, they started stealing from the parents (people of Saskatchewan). They sold off our assets (Potash, road maintenance equipment, etc.) They did this until the family (Saskatchewan) was on the verge of bankruptcy. Finally, The people of Saskatchewan (the parents) took the credit card away from this irresponsible idiot and gave it to the fiscally responsible NDP. The NDP were saddled with this enormous debt and still were able to maintain social programs and allow the province to prosper. Now that our credit is finally good again, and the benefits of this fiscal responsibility are becoming evident, the spoiled teenagers are back. They have changed their name to the Saskatchewan Party and are whining for the credit card again.
The Saskatchewan Party knows that there are numerous family heirlooms that can be sold off when they get into trouble again. There is SaskPower, SaskTel, SaskEnergy, SGI and other Crown Corporations. Brad knows that by the time the parents realize that the Saskatchewan Party is stealing from them, that damage has already been done. When the Saskatchewan voters wise up again, the Saskatchewan Party will be all but eliminated, just like Devine's Progressive Conservatives, but a few will survive. These few will partner up with other like-minded individuals and form a new old party. They will pick the most electable name that they can come up with (something like the Fuzzy Cute Kitten Party or something). They will constantly complain about the NDP while the NDP claws the province back to fiscal solvency. Then, when the province is on strong financial footing once again, they will whine for the credit card.
How stupid would we have to be to give these spoiled wingnuts the credit card back?
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Comment from:
Strawman [Visitor]
It is not logic that cons use to win elections, it is emotion and attitude. Logic is boring. Most people want something for nothing and the cons say we deserve it and shall have it if only we elect them. The sitting government, being bounded by reality, cannot promise that. Tell me, how can logic, practicality, and responsible government compete emotionally with greed, righteous indignation, and willful ignorance?....and how do I get my question marks and apostrophies back?
12/31/06 @ 10:39
Comment from:
Mooner [Visitor]
My, but you and Buckdog leave quite the steaming pile of socialism behind you when you rant about the "NeoCons". As a former Sask. resident I must say you greatly offend me.
It's you and your ilk that have helped drive those thousands and thousands and thousands of Saskatchewan people to Alberta. Once here I couldn't believe the change in attitude, the optimism, the shared well being and the encouragment to do well. It was like a black veil had been lifted from us.
For those of you who don't embrace free enterprise, you would never understand. You stand quilty of the phrase, "contempt prior to investigation".
What you can't seem to wrap your "NeoCommie" minds around is the fact that socialism and capital investment don't exsist on the same plain. As long as a socialist government remains in power in Saskatchewan you will continue to get what you have always got. Population loss, a depressed real estate market,very little outside capital investment, a province full of people who have lost hope and belief in themselves and a continuance of screwed-up government inspired investment. Well you are welcome to it. Fill yur boots boys!
God forbid that a free thinkin government might take over turn that misbegotten mess around. Why, what would happen to the poor?? What would happen to my union brothers?? Who would look after me?? How about the poor could find suitable employment! How about your union brothers would have work! How about you start to look after yourself!
You say Brad Wall has no business experience..Lorne Calvert does? Since when does a preacher qualify as a business leader?
You "NeoCommies" just can't get past Grant Devine can you? That in large part explains your whole philosophy, one of hanging desperatley to that past, to Tommy, to Allan, to Roy. Ignore the reality of what's going on in Saskatchewan and cling to the uptopian dream of "equality for everyone". Same income, same house, same job, no one gets ahead of anyone else. In that society you don't have to strive to better yourself, why would you when are a dependent!
Only when Saskatchean people finally step up and start to take responsibility for what has happend in that province will a change take place. Only when you finally become "sick and tired of being sick and tired" will things start to turn around. Only when socialist thinking has been tempered with enough free thinkers will that province start to move ahead. That is probably at least 20 years down the road. If the people do rise out of their stupor and elect a "free enterprise" government, and keep it in place, it will take the capital markets and others at least 20 years to regain trust in Saskatchewan.
History has shown that it's a few years of free thinking and then back to the dark ages. With that kind of history people will sit on their investments for a time before entrusting it to any government for fear of losing it to the socialists.
Here's a good example of the effects that socialism has on investment...at one time I invested in the second only Saskatchewan Capital Corporation. For those "NeoCommies" who don't understand, it's a group of people who buy shares in a corporation in hopes of finding a business to take public and make a bit of money with. Well, it took over two years to find a company in Saskatchewan that looked promising enough to take over. After waiting another year to realize a profit I finally got out with my original investment in tact...whew! Notice I said the "second" only Capital Corporation, to my knowledge another one has never been tried. (I believe the first one met with bankruptcy.) In that same year over 1250 Capital Corporations were formed in Alberta, ALL SUCCESSFUL....are you starting to get the picture?
I can only hope that someday, someway, Saskatchewan came overcome itself and get on track. I believe time will correct it's course, (as happend in the Soviet Union), and that good things will come for all who choose to live there.
It just needs a good old fashioned free enterprise "enema" to clean out the defeatist thinkers, the left wing nut-bars and all those who like to be dependents. It's probably good to keep a few of you around so the rest of us don't forget what happens when you get power.
It's you and your ilk that have helped drive those thousands and thousands and thousands of Saskatchewan people to Alberta. Once here I couldn't believe the change in attitude, the optimism, the shared well being and the encouragment to do well. It was like a black veil had been lifted from us.
For those of you who don't embrace free enterprise, you would never understand. You stand quilty of the phrase, "contempt prior to investigation".
What you can't seem to wrap your "NeoCommie" minds around is the fact that socialism and capital investment don't exsist on the same plain. As long as a socialist government remains in power in Saskatchewan you will continue to get what you have always got. Population loss, a depressed real estate market,very little outside capital investment, a province full of people who have lost hope and belief in themselves and a continuance of screwed-up government inspired investment. Well you are welcome to it. Fill yur boots boys!
God forbid that a free thinkin government might take over turn that misbegotten mess around. Why, what would happen to the poor?? What would happen to my union brothers?? Who would look after me?? How about the poor could find suitable employment! How about your union brothers would have work! How about you start to look after yourself!
You say Brad Wall has no business experience..Lorne Calvert does? Since when does a preacher qualify as a business leader?
You "NeoCommies" just can't get past Grant Devine can you? That in large part explains your whole philosophy, one of hanging desperatley to that past, to Tommy, to Allan, to Roy. Ignore the reality of what's going on in Saskatchewan and cling to the uptopian dream of "equality for everyone". Same income, same house, same job, no one gets ahead of anyone else. In that society you don't have to strive to better yourself, why would you when are a dependent!
Only when Saskatchean people finally step up and start to take responsibility for what has happend in that province will a change take place. Only when you finally become "sick and tired of being sick and tired" will things start to turn around. Only when socialist thinking has been tempered with enough free thinkers will that province start to move ahead. That is probably at least 20 years down the road. If the people do rise out of their stupor and elect a "free enterprise" government, and keep it in place, it will take the capital markets and others at least 20 years to regain trust in Saskatchewan.
History has shown that it's a few years of free thinking and then back to the dark ages. With that kind of history people will sit on their investments for a time before entrusting it to any government for fear of losing it to the socialists.
Here's a good example of the effects that socialism has on investment...at one time I invested in the second only Saskatchewan Capital Corporation. For those "NeoCommies" who don't understand, it's a group of people who buy shares in a corporation in hopes of finding a business to take public and make a bit of money with. Well, it took over two years to find a company in Saskatchewan that looked promising enough to take over. After waiting another year to realize a profit I finally got out with my original investment in tact...whew! Notice I said the "second" only Capital Corporation, to my knowledge another one has never been tried. (I believe the first one met with bankruptcy.) In that same year over 1250 Capital Corporations were formed in Alberta, ALL SUCCESSFUL....are you starting to get the picture?
I can only hope that someday, someway, Saskatchewan came overcome itself and get on track. I believe time will correct it's course, (as happend in the Soviet Union), and that good things will come for all who choose to live there.
It just needs a good old fashioned free enterprise "enema" to clean out the defeatist thinkers, the left wing nut-bars and all those who like to be dependents. It's probably good to keep a few of you around so the rest of us don't forget what happens when you get power.
12/31/06 @ 14:02
Comment from:
TJ [Visitor]
Does anybody acually expect Brad Wall to have a vision for Sask? That defeats his plan of simply being negative all the time and offer no vision for Saskatchewan.
"It's you and your ilk that have helped drive those thousands and thousands and thousands of Saskatchewan people to Alberta. Once here I couldn't believe the change in attitude, the optimism, the shared well being and the encouragment to do well. It was like a black veil had been lifted from us."
Saskatchewan does need optimism their is no debate on that from me. However, that positive attitude is not coming from Brad Wall and the Saskatchewan Party.
"God forbid that a free thinkin government might take over turn that misbegotten mess around. Why, what would happen to the poor?? What would happen to my union brothers?? Who would look after me?? How about the poor could find suitable employment! How about your union brothers would have work! How about you start to look after yourself!"
I'm still waiting on the Saskatchewan party to offer some kind of plan what would provide more jobs in Saskatchewan and some real ideas on how to attract people back to Saskatchewan. What has Brad Wall offered for a vision on getting people back to Saskatchewan? An office in downtown Calgary? Geez thats a sure great idea Brad!
"You say Brad Wall has no business experience..Lorne Calvert does? Since when does a preacher qualify as a business leader?"
Brad Wall has no business experience, so why would we trust him to build the Saskatchewan economy when his only attempt at business life has failed? Lorne Calvert does not have business experience but I do not believe he attempted to imply he did in his biography. The only Saskatchewan Leader who has any business experience and the person I trust most with running this province is David Karwacki.
"You "NeoCommies" just can't get past Grant Devine can you? That in large part explains your whole philosophy, one of hanging desperatley to that past, to Tommy, to Allan, to Roy. Ignore the reality of what's going on in Saskatchewan and cling to the uptopian dream of "equality for everyone". Same income, same house, same job, no one gets ahead of anyone else. In that society you don't have to strive to better yourself, why would you when are a dependent!"
Hard to get past the Devine days when the current Leader of the Saskatchewan Party has called a couple of the ministers who were found guilty of fraud some of the most honest people he knows.
The NDP under Calvert have failed Saskatchewan and the Saskatchewan Party under Brad Wall have failed to offer the people of Saskatchewan an acuall vision. Why would anybody vote for Brad Wall based on his arguement for free enterprise when the majority of his jobs have been paid by tax payers?
"It's you and your ilk that have helped drive those thousands and thousands and thousands of Saskatchewan people to Alberta. Once here I couldn't believe the change in attitude, the optimism, the shared well being and the encouragment to do well. It was like a black veil had been lifted from us."
Saskatchewan does need optimism their is no debate on that from me. However, that positive attitude is not coming from Brad Wall and the Saskatchewan Party.
"God forbid that a free thinkin government might take over turn that misbegotten mess around. Why, what would happen to the poor?? What would happen to my union brothers?? Who would look after me?? How about the poor could find suitable employment! How about your union brothers would have work! How about you start to look after yourself!"
I'm still waiting on the Saskatchewan party to offer some kind of plan what would provide more jobs in Saskatchewan and some real ideas on how to attract people back to Saskatchewan. What has Brad Wall offered for a vision on getting people back to Saskatchewan? An office in downtown Calgary? Geez thats a sure great idea Brad!
"You say Brad Wall has no business experience..Lorne Calvert does? Since when does a preacher qualify as a business leader?"
Brad Wall has no business experience, so why would we trust him to build the Saskatchewan economy when his only attempt at business life has failed? Lorne Calvert does not have business experience but I do not believe he attempted to imply he did in his biography. The only Saskatchewan Leader who has any business experience and the person I trust most with running this province is David Karwacki.
"You "NeoCommies" just can't get past Grant Devine can you? That in large part explains your whole philosophy, one of hanging desperatley to that past, to Tommy, to Allan, to Roy. Ignore the reality of what's going on in Saskatchewan and cling to the uptopian dream of "equality for everyone". Same income, same house, same job, no one gets ahead of anyone else. In that society you don't have to strive to better yourself, why would you when are a dependent!"
Hard to get past the Devine days when the current Leader of the Saskatchewan Party has called a couple of the ministers who were found guilty of fraud some of the most honest people he knows.
The NDP under Calvert have failed Saskatchewan and the Saskatchewan Party under Brad Wall have failed to offer the people of Saskatchewan an acuall vision. Why would anybody vote for Brad Wall based on his arguement for free enterprise when the majority of his jobs have been paid by tax payers?
12/31/06 @ 14:40
Comment from:
Laddie [Member]
Ah Mooner, fantasy is fun isn’t it? Unfortunately for you, your entire view that capitalism is the best way, just doesn’t pass the scientific test. No matter how often pure Capitalism and free market thinking fails (read Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast if you want to find out about the Neocon experiment of pure Capitalism in Iraq), your free enterprise dough-heads simply won't admit to the failure. As far as me offending you, oh no! I have offended someone who doesn’t care about anyone but themselves. I think that I will still be able to sleep at night.
You use the phrase “contempt prior to investigation”. Well guess what? I have investigated, and this Scientific American link proves my point. Of course, you will choose to ignore any facts that don’t support your feeble argument that greed is the key to happiness.
Poor spelling and grammar aside, what mess are you talking about? Low unemployment? Quality of life? Low Poverty? Low utility prices? Affordable housing? Affordable education? Record surpluses? Yes, Saskatchewan is a fine, fine, mess. I realize that we don't have near double-digit inflation like Alberta, but we will let you keep that "bragging" point.
The only “mess” that we have around here is the one left by the “free thinkin”(sic) Devine regime. Yes, I mentioned them again, and I will continue to mention them. Brad Wall worked extremely closely with them, and even knowingly performed unethical operations for them. He is truly a man of high moral fiber. It is you and your “ilk”’s ability to ignore and forget the past that allows you to cling to the conservative philosophy of free-market economics.
As I read your response to the article, it struck me that you are obviously one of those "I am a self-made person, and if you can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps, then screw you, you deserve what you get" people. Just as people like me, who believe in equality and quality of life for everyone, make you sick...people who think like you make me want to vomit. Your lack of empathy and tunnel vision is destroying the entire planet (global warming), and have kept countless people in poverty. There is NO SUCH THING as a self-made person. Everyone who is successful got help from someone on their way to the top. In many cases it was the government (student loans, bursaries, business funding, etc.) that every tax payer pays for. It may be as simple as being born into a wealthy family, or a family member helping you when you were short one month.
To believe that any success that you achieve is based solely on your hard work and not on the contributions of countless others is naive and ignorant. The commons that conservatives take for granted (paved roads, clean safe drinking water, health care, etc.) are provided by people that you spit on. You think that you are somehow "better" than the poor. Well, you aren't, not by a long road. Money doesn't equate human value. People who believe this are selfish elitist scum.
Come back to the real world. It may not be as nice as your fantasy, but at least it 's real.
You use the phrase “contempt prior to investigation”. Well guess what? I have investigated, and this Scientific American link proves my point. Of course, you will choose to ignore any facts that don’t support your feeble argument that greed is the key to happiness.
“God forbid that a free thinkin(sic) government might take over turn that misbegotten mess around”
Poor spelling and grammar aside, what mess are you talking about? Low unemployment? Quality of life? Low Poverty? Low utility prices? Affordable housing? Affordable education? Record surpluses? Yes, Saskatchewan is a fine, fine, mess. I realize that we don't have near double-digit inflation like Alberta, but we will let you keep that "bragging" point.
The only “mess” that we have around here is the one left by the “free thinkin”(sic) Devine regime. Yes, I mentioned them again, and I will continue to mention them. Brad Wall worked extremely closely with them, and even knowingly performed unethical operations for them. He is truly a man of high moral fiber. It is you and your “ilk”’s ability to ignore and forget the past that allows you to cling to the conservative philosophy of free-market economics.
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
- George Santayana
As I read your response to the article, it struck me that you are obviously one of those "I am a self-made person, and if you can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps, then screw you, you deserve what you get" people. Just as people like me, who believe in equality and quality of life for everyone, make you sick...people who think like you make me want to vomit. Your lack of empathy and tunnel vision is destroying the entire planet (global warming), and have kept countless people in poverty. There is NO SUCH THING as a self-made person. Everyone who is successful got help from someone on their way to the top. In many cases it was the government (student loans, bursaries, business funding, etc.) that every tax payer pays for. It may be as simple as being born into a wealthy family, or a family member helping you when you were short one month.
No man is an island.
- John Donne
To believe that any success that you achieve is based solely on your hard work and not on the contributions of countless others is naive and ignorant. The commons that conservatives take for granted (paved roads, clean safe drinking water, health care, etc.) are provided by people that you spit on. You think that you are somehow "better" than the poor. Well, you aren't, not by a long road. Money doesn't equate human value. People who believe this are selfish elitist scum.
...How about the poor could find suitable employment! How about your union brothers would have work! How about you start to look after yourself!That quote alone sums up your dellusion. Do you actually think that the vast majority of the poor aren't looking for suitable employment? What if someone is physically or mentally unable to work? You obviously think that they should be left to die. How about the elderly poor? Should they be left to die as well? Do you think that you work harder that the sewage worker? How about the garbage collector? How about a waitress? You don't think about these people do you? Unless, of course, your sewer is backing up, your garbage doesn't get picked up, or you can't get served in a restaurant. When you need to get your vehicle fixed, I bet you complain about how much it costs to get it repaired. Well you can always take a taxi, or ride the bus, or walk, or cycle (in the summer). Your selfishness is sickening.
History has shown that it's a few years of free thinking and then back to the dark ages. With that kind of history people will sit on their investments for a time before entrusting it to any government for fear of losing it to the socialists.Oh...now you want to talk about history do you? How about the "few years" that you are talking about almost bankrupting the province? How about our credit rating dropping to the level that, in case of crisis, we couldn't borrow to get ourselves out of it? That's your definition of "free thinking" huh?
Come back to the real world. It may not be as nice as your fantasy, but at least it 's real.
12/31/06 @ 15:43
Comment from:
JoeK [Visitor]
Bravo Laddie! It's about time somebody pointed out how lame these right wingers are. They achieve their success on the shoulders of society. Then when they make it, they call society deadbeats and refuse to help those that need it.
And Mooner, Lorne Calvert has been an MLA since 1986. I think that over 20 years in government gives him substantial qualifications to run the province. Brad Wall was elected in 1999.
And Mooner, Lorne Calvert has been an MLA since 1986. I think that over 20 years in government gives him substantial qualifications to run the province. Brad Wall was elected in 1999.
01/01/07 @ 10:27
Comment from:
Mooner [Visitor]
Laddie and Joe K....I am not surprised by your righteous indignation at the thoughts of having to assume responsibility for your life. If you folks on the left would spend more time concerned with "responsibilty" rather than "rights"...we might have more empathy for you.
The age old left wing mantra about what would happen to the handicapped, the elderly, the disadvantaged is getting rather tired. This is Canada, traditionally a left of center country. When was the last time a person was heard to have starved to death in Canada? Even the most right wing nut case amoungst us would keep the programs to protect those people in place.
I'm not talking about a small percentage of disadvantaged, elderly and handicapped people. I am addressing what's left of working people in Saskatchewan. I don't spit on garbage collectors, or mehanics, or those that work in the hospitality industry. If that's what they choose to do with their lives, good for them. If I choose to try and better myself and move ahead, good for me. Why would you want to prevent that opportunity? Why is it better that we all share the same standard of living? What in the world is wrong with motivation, desire, determination or hard work?
You say Saskatchewan is blessed with low unemployment, low utility costs and affordable housing. You get no argument from me on those points. From what I understand there is some 6000+ jobs posted on the government job bank website. Just imagine how many would be listed if all those people that went to Alberta had stayed at home? Saying you have affordable housing is great, but remember that is the prime indicator of the state your economy. Something to do with the saying.."you are known by the fruits you produce". Cheap real estate is nothing to be bragging about! Low utility prices was something Lorne promised and Lord knows how much of your tax dollars is going to prop that promise up.
Saskatchewan is my home and it tears me up to see what has happend over the past 15 years since I made the decision to get my kids out of there and we moved to Alberta. You are now left with the "halo effect" in your population...very young and very old...most of the productive people ages 18-50, as in tax payers, have left. Why? I dare to fully address that question and see if you would still vote for the NDP!
I will close with words from Winston Churchill when he said.."Socialism is a philosphy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
It was true then, it is true today, and Saskatchewan is living proof!
The age old left wing mantra about what would happen to the handicapped, the elderly, the disadvantaged is getting rather tired. This is Canada, traditionally a left of center country. When was the last time a person was heard to have starved to death in Canada? Even the most right wing nut case amoungst us would keep the programs to protect those people in place.
I'm not talking about a small percentage of disadvantaged, elderly and handicapped people. I am addressing what's left of working people in Saskatchewan. I don't spit on garbage collectors, or mehanics, or those that work in the hospitality industry. If that's what they choose to do with their lives, good for them. If I choose to try and better myself and move ahead, good for me. Why would you want to prevent that opportunity? Why is it better that we all share the same standard of living? What in the world is wrong with motivation, desire, determination or hard work?
You say Saskatchewan is blessed with low unemployment, low utility costs and affordable housing. You get no argument from me on those points. From what I understand there is some 6000+ jobs posted on the government job bank website. Just imagine how many would be listed if all those people that went to Alberta had stayed at home? Saying you have affordable housing is great, but remember that is the prime indicator of the state your economy. Something to do with the saying.."you are known by the fruits you produce". Cheap real estate is nothing to be bragging about! Low utility prices was something Lorne promised and Lord knows how much of your tax dollars is going to prop that promise up.
Saskatchewan is my home and it tears me up to see what has happend over the past 15 years since I made the decision to get my kids out of there and we moved to Alberta. You are now left with the "halo effect" in your population...very young and very old...most of the productive people ages 18-50, as in tax payers, have left. Why? I dare to fully address that question and see if you would still vote for the NDP!
I will close with words from Winston Churchill when he said.."Socialism is a philosphy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
It was true then, it is true today, and Saskatchewan is living proof!
01/01/07 @ 12:32
Comment from:
Confused [Visitor]
"Laddie and Joe K....I am not surprised by your righteous indignation at the thoughts of having to assume responsibility for your life. If you folks on the left would spend more time concerned with "responsibilty" rather than "rights"...we might have more empathy for you."
Odd for a supporter of Devine to be preaching about personal responsibility.
Odd for a supporter of Devine to be preaching about personal responsibility.
01/01/07 @ 14:39
Comment from:
Laddie [Member]
Mooner, you once again prove my point. You say that we should be more "concerned with "responsibilty" rather than "rights"". Why can't we have both? Do you mean that we need to take away some people's rights in order to be responsible? Why is everything either black or white to the right-wing? You are saying that people don't need to be equal. As far as preventing the opportunity for people to better themselves, it is the right-wing philosophy that prevents people from bettering themselves. The right-wing is after a redistribution of wealth upward. This results in the poor and middle class struggling to eke out a living while the wealthy throw more money onto their pile. It is this lack of a social conscience that stifles the opportunity of the majority of the population to better itself, not the lack of will.
It is no coincidence that the percentage of poor that rise into the upper class of wage earners is about equal to their chance of winning the lottery, because that is the only way that they can make the leap. Obstacles are placed in front of people to keep them out of the "wealthy club". The right-wing philosophy doesn't promote em betterment, it stifles it.
People living in poverty can't send their kids to college to obtain a higher education to increase their opportunities. At least they can't without help from social programs that you seem to detest. If someone is working 2 full time or even 2 part time jobs just to subsist, how are they going to find the time and opportunity to better themselves? You see I believe that the majority of people, if given the chance, will better themselves. The right-wing believes that the only thing that keeps people from bettering themselves is laziness, so why give them chances.
As for your Churchill quote, he is right, Socialism doesn't work. Neither does Capitalism. What works is a melding of the two. People can still make money and become wealthy while the safety and quality of life of the population as a whole is maintained. Corporations can still provide products and services without polluting the environment. I, once again, implore you to read this article and see how it can be done.
It is no coincidence that the percentage of poor that rise into the upper class of wage earners is about equal to their chance of winning the lottery, because that is the only way that they can make the leap. Obstacles are placed in front of people to keep them out of the "wealthy club". The right-wing philosophy doesn't promote em betterment, it stifles it.
The age old left wing mantra about what would happen to the handicapped, the elderly, the disadvantaged is getting rather tired. This is Canada, traditionally a left of center country. When was the last time a person was heard to have starved to death in Canada? Even the most right wing nut case amoungst us would keep the programs to protect those people in place.This is getting rather tired is it? Why is that? Is it possibly because you can't deny that they would be effected? I notice that you don't deny that this problem exists, just that you are getting "tired" of it. Of course you are getting tired of the argument, is it devastating to your ideology.They do exist you know. And even if you want to ignore them, I won't. And you think that programs that help them would never be discontinued. Well I guess you don't look at the corporatist, capitalistic paradise that is the United States of America then. Seniors, and children are dying from their privatization of medical care and lack of social programs. I know what you will say "Well we aren't the USA". Not yet, but if Harper has his way, we will be.
People living in poverty can't send their kids to college to obtain a higher education to increase their opportunities. At least they can't without help from social programs that you seem to detest. If someone is working 2 full time or even 2 part time jobs just to subsist, how are they going to find the time and opportunity to better themselves? You see I believe that the majority of people, if given the chance, will better themselves. The right-wing believes that the only thing that keeps people from bettering themselves is laziness, so why give them chances.
As for your Churchill quote, he is right, Socialism doesn't work. Neither does Capitalism. What works is a melding of the two. People can still make money and become wealthy while the safety and quality of life of the population as a whole is maintained. Corporations can still provide products and services without polluting the environment. I, once again, implore you to read this article and see how it can be done.
01/01/07 @ 14:58
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Strawman [Visitor]
Of course Laddie, social and moral responsibility with capitalistic opportunity. Public service and private enterprise. Both meld together in a just and prosperous society but it is very difficult to achieve with right wing idealogues believing that anytyhing a little bit socialist is absolutely communist and is therefore evil.
01/02/07 @ 07:31
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Saskboy [Visitor]
It will be an interesting provincial election. Between the NDP's history which is nothing to be proud of overall, and the reputation of the Sask Party being 'Conservative party - the provincial version', it's a good thing we still have a third option in the Liberals.
01/02/07 @ 19:57
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Strawman [Visitor]
An NDP government with a relevant Liberal opposition and 1 or 2 SPs to remind us what blind adherance to a philosophy is......ideal.
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